Guv candidates talk about undocumented immigrants


  1. Hemingway says:

    Xenophobia is on the rise in America. You have incompetent Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer saying that most illegal immigrants are simply “drug mules.” MORE BUNK.

  2. jivaro99 says:

    If you think it is bunk about the records on illegal drug smuggling and the forced use of illegal aliens to carry them across Hemingway, maybe you should take a short vacation to the Organ Pipe Monument and go into the mountains for a couple of days and enjoy nature. If and when you come home, you might just see the light at the end of the tunnel.

    Of course there is no guarantees you will come home, since the entire area is posted because of the danger from drug and illegal alien smuggling. By the way, this is still part of the United States, so you can rest on your beliefs that you will be perfectly safe while visiting there.

  3. MJM says:


    I thought you could be objective in your assessment of the subject.

    I was wrong…..My bad.

    But do have a nice day…..

  4. Hemingway says:

    The partisan Center for Immigration Studies disguises its biased studies in academic language with no real research. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, “CIS often manipulates data, relying on shaky statistics or faulty logic to come to the preordained conclusion that immigration is bad for this country.” CIS represents xenophobia at its worst!

  5. MJM says:


    Lipman does have an impresive background. NYU and U. Cal Davis…She worked for some fine multi-national firms. I will give you that much. But you can take a look at excellent emperical arguments from The Center for Immigration Studies. The Urban Institute and The Kaiser Family Foundation et. al. that argue the point differently.

    Rather than take the work of individuals who are writing for a particular audience I suggest you travel to the border and get the opinions of those impacted by illegal immigration.

    For the record I have traveled to Hidalgo, Luna, Dona Ana, Otero and Lea Counties and met with individuals who are at ground zero. Many tell me there is a problem. I have also been to El Paso recently and I hear the same thing there.

    I hope you will take the time to take a critical look at both sides of the arguement.

  6. Hemingway says:

    Professor Francine J Lipman has written an excellent study, ” Taxing Undocumented Immigrants: Separate, Unequal and Without Representation”. It appeared in Tax Lawyer, Spring 2006 – Chapman University Law Research Paper No. 06-20. It stated:

    “Americans believe that undocumented immigrants are exploiting the United States’ economy. The widespread belief is that illegal aliens cost more in government services than they contribute to the economy. This belief is undeniably false. [E]very empirical study of illegals’ economic impact demonstrates the opposite . . .: undocumented immigrants actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services.”

    New Mexicans should realize this and not be fooled by the propaganda dished out by the campaign of Ms. Martinez about undocumented immigrants.

  7. Hemingway says:

    It is clear that reports from both sides of the border indicate the majority of the violence is in Mexico and has not crossed over to the U.S. side of the border. Ironically violent crime is down in the U.S., particularly in the border states. However, xenophobia extremists and SB1070 supporters want you to believe otherwise. They simply lie to you to make you believe border violence has increased. They sadly exploited the murder of a rancher and want you to believe all illegal immigrants are responsible for his death. However the police don’t know who committed the crime and even if it was an undocumented immigrant.

    In January 2004, President George W. Bush called for a broad overhaul of America’s immigration laws intended to provide a path to legal citizenship for millions of undocumented workers in the United States. This looked like an historic opportunity to reform America’s immigration laws. A late 2005 Time magazine poll, for instance, showed that 72% favored “a program that would allow illegal immigrants who have jobs in the United States to live and work legally in the United States for a fixed period of time if they registered with the government.” However reform was killed by anti-immigration sentiment. Harvard historian Benjamin Friedman in his “The Moral Consequences of Economic Growth clearly show there is strong correlation between rising economic insecurity like today and xenophobia and .nativism.

    Examples of xenophobia like Ms. Martinez’s scare tactics campaign and in the actions of Governor Brewer of Arizona abound. Governor Brewer made the insulting comment that “the majority of people immigrating illegally that are coming here here are bringing drugs” and “80% of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by illegals.” This is all BUNK!

  8. MJM says:


    I have taken the time to read the report from the MPI. Further I looked at the background of their directors and staff. In my lifetime I have read many such reports…and even written several. They are for consumption of a particular audience, and have pre-ordaned outcomes.

    I have read your comments in the past and know you are not naieve. You would certainly look at another view.

    For arguement purposes Hemmingway, where does this report mention the potential risks/costs of having undocumented imigrants during a period when this country is fighting wars on two fronts? This report speaks to the high cost of enforcement of immigration policy but does not talk about the potential risks of having our enemies cross our borders potentially causing a catastrophic event. Do you see this as a risk?

    Healt, Education and Welfare are huge costs and long term in nature. It is nearly impossible to determine these costs with any accuracy. Do you agree?

    The drug issue is also poorly outlned in this report. The cost is substantial. These are but a few of the issues not well addressed in the report.

    I have seen others that show the cost of illegal imigration to be about $650 million for NM annually.

    This seems about right to me…

  9. Hemingway says:

    Ms. Martinez’s views represents the opinions of the mindless politicians shouting from the roof tops that undocumented immigrants are costing us millions per year. This is malarkey! Anyone with an ounce of common sense ( sorry most politicians avoid this during an election year) should read the recent Migration Policy Institute study, “The Economics and Policy of Illegal Immigration in the United States”. Undocumented immigration has had a positive effect on the economy and they pay substantial taxes.

    As former President Bush rightfully stated: “America’s immigration system is outdated, unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. We should not be content with laws that punish hard-working people and deny businesses willing workers and invite chaos at our border.” If Ms. Martinez is elected her shortsighted policies would cause chaos on the New Mexico border. New Mexico need leaders standing up and telling them the whole truth and not perpetuated lies about the undocumented immigrants as a bunch of drug smugglers.